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Bin Laden speaks - with suprising clarity

Bin ladens latest speach, if it comes from him, provokes more questions than it provides answers. For the first time he speaks, not as an arab in viterolic hyperbole, but almost as a westerner in logic and precision.

His entire short translated speach is here

One of the first things that struck me, was his use of logic in his speach.

He accepts that arabs were part of 9/11 which throws the "truthers" claims into turmoil.

He makes valid and strong points in his letter that suprised me in their lucidity and construction. I might not agree with them, but there would be many on the Left who parrot the same arguments.

His comment below is not new being espoused by many in the extreme left, his letter might well find an acceptable audience on the Daily Kos website. Not to mention that the world DID cry out against reelecting Bush for a second term.
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You permitted Bush to complete his first term, and stranger still, chose him for a second term, which gave him a clear mandate from you -- with your full knowledge and consent -- to continue to murder our people in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then you claim to be innocent! The innocence of yours is like my innocence of the blood of your sons on the 11th -- were I to claim such a thing.

As to his religious elements in the letter, it just part of his charactor and again appeals to logic, rather than cold blooded fanaticism of many other Islamic leaders.

Its a facinating read. Pity its a pdf and not printed on the web.
By netchicken: posted on 8-9-2007

LOL...Who knew? Bin Laden is a filthy Democrat !!!
By Venus: posted on 8-9-2007

Here is a link in reddit, where the readers express the same ideas as I found.

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I think Bin Laden must be a reddit user. Every paragraph of that letter (until you get to the religious stuff), could be taken from the front page of reddit. also have similar discussions on the clarity of his video message
By netchicken: posted on 9-9-2007

This is the transscript of the first 2 pages of the video

All praise is due to Allah, who built the heavens and earth in justice, and created man as a favor and grace from him. And from His ways is that the days rotate between people, and from His Law is retaliation in kind: an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth and the killer is killed. And all praise is due to Allah, who awakened His slaves' desire for the Garden, and all of them will enter it except those who refuse. And whoever obeys Him alone in all of his affairs will enter the Garden, whoever disobeys Him will have refused.

As for what comes after: Peace be upon he who follows the Guidance. People of America: I shall be speaking to you on important topics which concern you, so lend me your ears. I begin by discussing the war which is between us and some of its repercussions for us and you.

To preface: I say: despite America being the greatest economic power and possessing the most powerful and up-to-date military arsenal as well; and despite it spending on this war and is army more than the entire world spends on its armies; and despite it being the being the major state influencing policies of the world, as if it has a monopoly on the unjust right of veto; despite all of this, 19 young men were able - by the grace of Allah, the Most High - to change the direction of its compass. And in fact, the subject of the Mujahideen has become an inseparable part of the speech of your leader, and the effects and signs of that are not hidden.

Since the 11th, many of America's policies have come under the influence of the Mujahideen, and that is by the grace of Allah, the Most High. And as a result the people discovered the truth about it, its reputation worsened, its prestige was broken globally and it was bled dry economically, even if our interests overlap with the interests of the major corporations and also with those of the neoconservatives, despite the differing intentions.

And for your information media, during the first years of the war, lost its credibility and manifested itself as a tool of the colonialist empires, and its condition has often been worse than the condition of the media of the dictatorial regimes which march in caravan of the single leader.

Then Bush talks about his working with al-Maliki and his government to spread freedom in Iraq but he in fact is working with the leaders of one sect against another sect, in the belief that this will quickly decide the war in his favor.

And thus, what is called the civil war came into being and matters worsened at his hands before getting out of his control and him becoming like the one who plows and sows the sea: he harvests nothing but failure.

So these are some of the results of the freedom about whose spreading he is talking to you. And then the backtracking of Bush on his insistence on not giving the United Nations expanded jurisdiction in Iraq is an implicit admission of his loss and defeat there.

And among the most important items contained in the Bush's speeches since the events of the 11th is that the Americans have no option but to continue the war. This tone is in fact an echoing of the words of neoconservatives like Cheney, Rumsfeld and Richard Pearle, the latter having said previously that the Americans have no choice in front of them other than to continue the war or face a holocaust.

I say, refuting the unjust statement, that the morality and culture of the holocaust is your culture, not our culture. In fact, burning living beings is forbidden in our religion, even if they be small like the ant, so what of man?! The holocaust of the Jews was carried out by your brethern in the middle of Europe, but had it been closer to our countries, most of the Jews would have been saved by taking refuge with us. And my proof for that is in what your brothers, the Spanish, did when they set up the horrible courts of the Inquisition to try Muslims and Jews, when the Jews only found safe shelter by taking refuge in our countries. And that is why the Jewish community in Morocco today is one of the largest communities in the world. They are alive with us and we have not incinerated them, but we are a people who don't sleep under oppression, and the blood of Muslims will not be spilled with impunity, and the morrow is nigh for he who awaits.

Also, your Christian brothers have been living among us for 14 centuries in Egypt alone, there are millions of Christians whom we have not incinerated and shall not incinerate. But the fact is, there is a continuing and biased campaign being waged by way of your media, especially Hollywood, for the purpose of misrepresenting Islam and its adherents to drive you away from the true religion. The genocide of peoples and their holocausts took place at your hands: only a few specimens of Red Indians were spared, and just a few days ago, the Japanese observed the 62nd anniversary of the annihilation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki by your nuclear weapons.

And among the things which catch the eye of the one who considers the repercussions of your unjust war against Iraq is the failure of your democratic system, despite it raising of the slogans of justice, liberty, equality and humanitarianism. It has not only failed to achieve these things, it has actually destroyed these and other concepts with its weapons - especially in Iraq and Afghanistan - in a brazen fashion, to replace them with fear, destruction, killing, hunger, illness, displacement and more than a million orphans in Baghdad alone, not to mention hundreds of thousands of widows. American statistics speak of the killing of more than 650,000 of the people of Iraq as a result of the war and its repercussions.

People of America: the world is following in your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of the tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there, which has led to the vast majority of you being afflicted with disappointment.

And here is the gist of the matter, so one should pause, think and reflect: why have the Democrats failed to stop this war, despite them being the majority?

I will come back to reply to this question after raising another question, which is:

Why are the leaders of the White House keen to start wars and wage them around the world, and make use of every possible opportunity through which they can reach this purpose, occasionally even creating justifications based on deception and blatant lies, as you saw in Iraq?
By netchicken: posted on 9-9-2007

More on Bin Laden is a democrat. From a Fox news item about the speech.

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He seems to adopt the exact same language being used by the hard left in this country,” Hannity says, “as he describes what’s going on in Iraq as a civil war. He actually used the term ‘Neocons.’

He talks about global warming. He demonizes capitalisms (sic) and corporations in this whole thing — very, very specific language.

It seems to be coming from somebody who is keenly aware of the world situation and the battle and the conflict in America over this war, and even admonishing the Democratic Party for not ending the war.”

By netchicken: posted on 9-9-2007

Bin Laden described by CNN as an
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obvious news junkie with a lot of time on his hands. .. at times he comes off like an angry blogger

By netchicken: posted on 9-9-2007

Big furore developed over this writer on the New York Times who compared BL to a leftie blogger. It really upset the website.
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No, ludicrous. I mean, on one hand, he's a malevolent guy who killed 3,000 Americans. But you read this thing, and it's like he's been sitting around reading lefty blogs, and he's one of these childish people posting rants at the bottom the page, you know, Noam Chomsky and all this stuff.

You can't help read it and not laugh at it, occasionally, because it is just absurd. It's flying this way, and that way, weird conspiracy theories, and mortgages, global warming. He throws it all in there.

The one thing that leapt out -- and Bruce Hoffman and the others mentioned this -- was how Western it is. And a friend of mine, Reuel Gerecht, points out that there's this argument that Western ideas never permeated into the Arab world, but in fact it's all -- I mean, a lot of the worst ideas from the West have permeated in, and he's picked up Noam Chomsky, and he's picked up some of the anti-globalization stuff. And that's what infuses this.

With the emphasis on "western ideas" which I thought when I first read it, I wonder if BL did write the text or if a westerner wrote it and he just read it out.
By netchicken: posted on 10-9-2007

There is no doubt it my mind he didn't write it. Like I said's like listening to any deranged leftist.
By Venus: posted on 10-9-2007

See, if BL would knock off the wild-eyed "kill Whitey" crap he could come over here and spar with us professional disgruntled bloggers!

Give him another few years and he'll be a posting caffeine fiend, saving his petro-dollars for the next larger monitor and the cutting edge computer from which to post his rantings!

Gosh, before you know it, he'll be a moderator at DemocraticUnderground, or maybe another message board that is loopy and loves sycophants!
By Thomas_Crowne: posted on 10-9-2007

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