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CERN do it again, welcome to the super Internet

From the guys who made the internet, as we know it, comes the next version 10,000 times faster. CERN have dome some amazing things as byproducts of their Large Hadron Collider. Just shows that with $20 Billion dollars you can have fun :)

THE internet could soon be made obsolete. The scientists who pioneered it have now built a lightning-fast replacement capable of downloading entire feature films within seconds.

At speeds about 10,000 times faster than a typical broadband connection, “the grid” will be able to send the entire Rolling Stones back catalogue from Britain to Japan in less than two seconds.

The latest spin-off from Cern, the particle physics centre that created the web, the grid could also provide the kind of power needed to transmit holographic images; allow instant online gaming with hundreds of thousands of players; and offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call.

David Britton, professor of physics at Glasgow University and a leading figure in the grid project, believes grid technologies could “revolutionise” society.
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With this kind of computing power, future generations will have the ability to collaborate and communicate in ways older people like me cannot even imagine,
he said.

The power of the grid will become apparent this summer after what scientists at Cern have termed their “red button” day - the switching-on of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the new particle accelerator built to probe the origin of the universe. The grid will be activated at the same time to capture the data it generates.

Cern, based near Geneva, started the grid computing project seven years ago when researchers realised the LHC would generate annual data equivalent to 56m CDs - enough to make a stack 40 miles high.

This meant that scientists at Cern - where Sir Tim Berners-Lee invented the web in 1989 - would no longer be able to use his creation for fear of causing a global collapse.

This is because the internet has evolved by linking together a hotchpotch of cables and routing equipment, much of which was originally designed for telephone calls and therefore lacks the capacity for high-speed data transmission.

By contrast, the grid has been built with dedicated fibre optic cables and modern routing centres, meaning there are no outdated components to slow the deluge of data. The 55,000 servers already installed are expected to rise to 200,000 within the next two years.

Professor Tony Doyle, technical director of the grid project, said: “We need so much processing power, there would even be an issue about getting enough electricity to run the computers if they were all at Cern. The only answer was a new network powerful enough to send the data instantly to research centres in other countries.”

That network, in effect a parallel internet, is now built, using fibre optic cables that run from Cern to 11 centres in the United States, Canada, the Far East, Europe and around the world.

 http://www.timesonline.co.u...
By netchicken: posted on 6-4-2008

There is a popular misconception that the internet was invented by CERN. Regardless of what Dan Brown might like to tell us, the fact is that the Internet was invented AT CERN by an American computer scientist. It was neither a project that they officially worked at or tried to develop unlike the LHC et al.

If you want to credit any organization with the development of the Internet it would have to be DARPA- ARPANET which worked towards building a network of computers and developed the standard we know of today as TCP/IP which makes the internet possible. That was in 1978.

Tim Berners-Lee merely brought the TCP/IP and hypertext elements together and released them to the public for use making it widespread. The true birth of the internet is generally regarded as the time when the MOSAIC browser was launched (by National Center for Supercomputing Applications at University of Illinois ).
By IAF: posted on 6-4-2008

I think you are totally right IAF. This is one of those areas where it seems everyone had a hand in its creation.

Check out the wikipedia of it http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... and http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Its been around in various forms since the 1960's, I guess from skimming the articles that CERN really put the public face on it.
By netchicken: posted on 7-4-2008

That is some really interesting stuff!

IAF, again, you are on top of it! Nothing escapes you! :tu
By Thomas_Crowne: posted on 7-4-2008

Here we go boys and girls. Take care of what personal loose ends you might have just in case.


Big Bang Experiment Ready To Go

The world's biggest scientific experiment is set for the big switch-on within weeks - and it could answer some of the biggest questions in the universe.........

"It is just part of this adventure of man pushing at the limits."........

Scientists have also dismissed claims that the experiment will create black holes to swallow up the planet.........

Is no one else worried that they are purposely creating the so called big bang under france and switzerland. Atoms moving at the speed of light and becoming 100,000 times hotter than the sun?!?! this sounds a little dangerous to me. I know they may think they have taken all proper precautions but really, How do you contain something like that?! these people may be pushing the limits of Science which is all well and good but i, for one, dont fancy getting blown up thanks.

Posted by Amber Price from bradford

much more here

 http://news.sky.com/skynews...

Any Amber's here ? Personally I don't care I'm just here for the ride any way :dbguy
By TUTUTKAMEN: posted on 12-5-2008

Tut^^

You do realize that they have been accelerating atoms to the speed of light and annihilating them to observe the effects for nearly 5 decades now ! This is nothing new. Its just that the scale of this machine is immense compared to the other machines before. It is perfectly safe and monitored by hundreds of geeks who know what they are doing.

It doesnt matter if it 100,000 times or 100 trillion times, the particles usually exsist for merely a fraction of a second. It is nothing dangerous at all.
By IAF: posted on 12-5-2008

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Originally posted by IAF
Tut^^

You do realize that they have been accelerating atoms to the speed of light and annihilating them to observe the effects for nearly 5 decades now ! This is nothing new. Its just that the scale of this machine is immense compared to the other machines before. It is perfectly safe and monitored by hundreds of geeks who know what they are doing.

It doesnt matter if it 100,000 times or 100 trillion times, the particles usually exsist for merely a fraction of a second. It is nothing dangerous at all.


Sorry if I don't have the same faith.
Do I really have to mention Windows?
:sp
By Thomas_Crowne: posted on 12-5-2008

The Langoliers [a.k.a. Stranglets] are coming. :run

Thank God we have you to depend on IAF, scientist extraordinaire:sc

I'm just reporting the news I read. I have no opinion on this matter. In short,"I don't give a damn my Dear"
By TUTUTKAMEN: posted on 13-5-2008

'Dr. Prof. Otto E. Rössler currently works at the University
of Tuebingen in Germany. He specializes on theoretical biology, theoretical physics, mathematic, philosophy and nature sciences. These areas is what he is talking about.

AND he has a right to do so and to be listened too. As a 'chaos scientist' my understanding is that because interdisciplinary know-how is required, his expertise field is quite wide. He also strikes me as a scientist who needs to see the large picture. And yes, he would be allowed in court on the LHC subject. Heard somebody in a post say they would not allow him in court because he is not a subject matter expert. This is complete rubbish and the person who posted this knows it.

Prof. Otto E. Rössler sais that there is a 50% chance that a real black hole gets created at the LHC, that there are then 50 months left for our Earth. But he also offers solutions. He sais, do it now, but do it on the moon............

 http://www.pr-inside.com/ce...


:worm
By TUTUTKAMEN: posted on 14-5-2008

Tut you are missing the main point of the situation.

Humans can create a black hole! What an amazing accomplishment. Not only do we wipe ourselves out we take out the entire planet at the same time. Not even the dinosaurs could do that.

I am looking forward to see what happens when they turn on the machine.
By netchicken: posted on 14-5-2008

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Originally posted by Thomas_Crowne
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Originally posted by IAF
Tut^^

You do realize that they have been accelerating atoms to the speed of light and annihilating them to observe the effects for nearly 5 decades now ! This is nothing new. Its just that the scale of this machine is immense compared to the other machines before. It is perfectly safe and monitored by hundreds of geeks who know what they are doing.

It doesnt matter if it 100,000 times or 100 trillion times, the particles usually exsist for merely a fraction of a second. It is nothing dangerous at all.


Sorry if I don't have the same faith.
Do I really have to mention Windows?
:sp


Windows is not science. It is business.

Geeks usually give us free things like Linux and P2P file sharing. :guy
By IAF: posted on 14-5-2008

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Originally posted by TUTUTKAMEN
'Dr. Prof. Otto E. Rössler currently works at the University
of Tuebingen in Germany. He specializes on theoretical biology, theoretical physics, mathematic, philosophy and nature sciences. These areas is what he is talking about.


:tongue

Nobody is a specialists in ALL those areas. Its not even possible for a computer to master all those subjects. Theoretical physics is a lifetime's work, so is mathematics, forget about philosophy....


As for his "fears" and his "ideas" they are equally ridiculous. First of al,l does he even know what black holes are ? Its not like you can make them like how they make game boy's. The kind of energy required to do it would exceed even a couple of nuclear explosion. The nuclear attractions have be so high that ALL matter has to collapse into itself, not to mention be extremely dense and extremely stable. Even if the whole earth's matter were to be used to construct a black hole it would be only a few millimeters in diameter . Besides, if a mere giga Joule of energy could create black holes there wouldnt be a universe as we know it. There are many more naturally occurring phenomena that produce much much more energy than the collider at CERN has. Add to this the fact that black holes are formed naturally unstable, meaning that the possibility that they will actually survive even if they are created is very small. They need a critical mass to grow to beat out the Hawking's radiation effects, otherwise they can never exist.

If this guys wants to be worried, he should be worried about a more important experiment that the LHC is going to perform to study the venerable Higgs Boson, the God particle. Or strange matter or a magnetic monopole or maybe even just ordinary antimatter. Besides, on the CERN website itself, they say very clearly that the "theoretical possibility" of creating these black holes in other dimensions than in our current conventional 11 dimensional understanding - thats all. Most of those "fossils" who are suing in an American court a European Laboratory have shown their naivety long before they made their claim by this ridiculous and trivial legal exercise. These concerns were said when they were experimenting with anti matter too but not by many because at that time people either knew enough to disregard crazy theories or knew too little to care. However, with the rise of these multi-field, all encompassing "experts" who Minor in everything except logic and reason things are not as peaceable as they once were.

On a more positive note, the cooks do help people appreciate science more and gets them interested in what is otherwise rows and rows of statistical date from a whole multitude of sensors. Also it gets the people who do these experiments much more of an incentive to be rigorous both theoretically and in practical preparation.

If they could construct a black hole, it would be incredible, not just as a science experiment but also practically. They could use the gravitational forces to generate immense amounts of power. To power everything from space stations for many millenia, to our entire planet for millenia to come, not to mention change the nature of our existence completely!
By IAF: posted on 15-5-2008

The theory of the black hole is entirely false, just so you all know. What they are talking about is a very freaking small one. The only characteristic of a black hole that it might have is that it will become very tiny, but in order for a black hole to "suck up the world" it would require the mass of a very large star, not the mass of two atoms. Two atoms weigh two atoms, no matter how fast they go, or how dense they become. The only thing that might worry you is that it might form a small and incredibly brief wormhole, and suck through some of that anti-matter that seems to float aimlessly around space. Depending on the amount, it may cause a small explosion similar to a gernade, or perhaps blow that particular half of the globe into oblivion. Rest assured, the chances of worm hole generation or even black hole generation is similar to a lottery, within a lottery, within a lottery. Add to that the chance of the other end of the worm hole opening up on top of a big ol' batch of anti-matter (also called dark matter) and you've got yourself an infinitely improbable event, in the words of Douglas Adams.

As to the warp-speed internet, I can't wait til it arrives. =] Computers seem to have a habit of speeding up at an exponential rate, just as some famous guy predicted, (for some reason relating to how microchips store info), whose name I am too tired to look up at the mo. G'night.
By peregrine: posted on 1-8-2008

But even if it was small, surely it could be a danger. It might just suck in the world at a slower rate. Anyway its a facinating diversion from politics. :)
By netchicken: posted on 3-8-2008








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